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>> logan: the war in afghanistan is now the longest war in american history. 11 years after 9/11, the enemy the u.s. went there to defeat is coming back, according to the two men who know more about this than anyone-- u.s. general john allen and afghan president hamid karzai. we interviewed both of them, and they were blunt about where the war stands and about an enemy tactic that's killing more and more americans. we arrived in the afghan capital just after four u.s. soldiers were gunned down by an afghan policeman who was with them in a
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firefight. it's what the u.s. military calls an "insider attack," when u.s. forces are killed by the afghans they're training and fighting with. last month, these attacks were the leading killer of american troops. it's a critical problem for general allen, whose job is to make sure afghan security forces take over the fight so u.s. soldiers can come home. you're in a tough spot right now. can you explain why the sudden increase in these attacks? >> general john allen: well, i'm mad as hell about them, to be honest with you. we're going to get after this. it reverberates everywhere across the united states. you know, we're... we're willing to sacrifice a lot for this campaign, but we're not willing to be murdered for it. >> logan: at a certain point, if these attacks continue, the american people are going to say, "we've had enough," right? "why are we training these people if they're murdering us?" >> allen: well, that may be, in fact. it may be the voice right now that we're hearing.
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the key point is for us to understand that the vast majority, the vast majority of the afghans-- and you've lived with them, you understand these people-- they're with us in this. they understand, right now, the severity of this problem and the urgency of what's happening. and there have been afghans who've been killed trying to save our forces when these attacks have been under way, because that was the only reaction that they could've taken was to try to save us at the moment of that attack. >> logan: training afghan troops, like these afghan special forces soldiers, is the centerpiece of general allen's mission. he's already had to suspend training twice because of the rise in insider attacks, which are threatening america's exit strategy. should americans brace themselves for more attacks? is this going to continue? >> allen: it will. the enemy recognizes this is a vulnerability. you know, in... in iraq, the signature weapon system that we hadn't seen before was the
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i.e.d. we had to adjust to that. here, i think the signature attack that we're beginning to see is going to be the insider attack. >> logan: general allen has asked afghanistan's president hamid karzai to do something to keep enemy elements out of the afghan army and police. >> president hamid karzai: these attacks are... sad. this is something i have discussed in detail, something that i bear responsibility for to correct. >> logan: we met president karzai at the presidential palace in kabul, where he spends most of his time. he rarely ventures beyond these manicured grounds and fortress walls that have housed afghanistan's leaders for more than 100 years. and with good reason-- he's survived four serious assassination attempts, like this one in southern afghanistan in 2002 when u.s. navy seals guarding him gunned down his attacker.
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now, as his forces take over security, they still face a formidable enemy. can you tell americans what's still at stake in afghanistan after all these years of war? >> karzai: the reason for the nato and american intervention in afghanistan was terrorism. terrorism has not gone away; it has increased. >> logan: when you say that terrorism has increased, what do you mean exactly? >> karzai: if terrorism means violence against civilians, if terrorism means violence against our allies, it has increased, it has not abated, it has not gone away. >> logan: president karzai says afghan intelligence reports to him on the presence of foreign fighters-- arabs, chechens, and others-- who are captured and killed on afghan soil. >> karzai: name them al qaeda, name them islamic movement of uzbekistan, name them haqqani, name them taliban, whatever. they're still there, and they
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have the ability to continue ten years on to come and hurt us and kill your troops and kill our troops, kill our civilians. we must then question, how come they've returned? >> logan: well, that's a good question. how come? >> karzai: how come they've returned? >> logan: how did that happen? >> karzai: something must have gone wrong for that to happen. >> logan: one place where things have gone wrong is in the mountains of kunar, in the east of the country, which has become al qaeda's base of operations in afghanistan today. these are enemy fighters and leaders filmed there by our afghan cameraman who visited a number of different enemy camps. we couldn't go ourselves because it's too dangerous for westerners to travel on their own to kunar. they told our cameraman that they work side-by-side with al qaeda and share their ideology. one taliban commander agreed to meet with us in the afghan capital.
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he's a specialist in suicide bombings, trained by al qaeda. the safest place we could find was the back of a car, and he would only talk if we concealed his identity. as we made our way through the streets, we had to avoid the city's heavy security and keep our cameras hidden from view. who is behind the insider attacks, what the americans call "insider attacks," infiltrating the afghan police and army? is that you? >> ( translated ): these are taliban attacks. this is part of our new military strategy. we have our people in the afghan police and the army. and the orders come from the top. >> logan: he told us al qaeda fighters are rushing to afghanistan, and that he has more than a dozen of them under his command. he also said they have been the driving force that has made the taliban more lethal on the battlefield. are you the only commander with al qaeda fighters? >> ( translated ): there are many groups that have them. we can't do this without them.
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>> logan: what skills do the al qaeda fighters bring? >> ( translated ): they are masters of everything, for example, making i.e.d.s, something we don't know how to do. but they are teaching us. they are also master engineers and good with all weapons. when our weapons break, they are the ones who repair them. we can't do this without them. >> logan: while the u.s. has been saying for a long time that al qaeda in afghanistan is almost defeated, the u.s. military's own reports from the battlefield reveal a very different picture. they are rich with detail about al qaeda's leaders and operations today, confirming the existence of al qaeda training camps and multiple attack cells. among those they say they've killed are al qaeda weapons and explosives experts. in one month, the u.s. says it killed more than 25 al qaeda leaders and fighters. >> allen: al qaeda has come
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back. al qaeda is a resilient organization. but they're not here in large numbers. but al qaeda doesn't have to be anywhere in large numbers. >> logan: right, the numbers are not significant. >> allen: no, they're not significant in a traditional military sense. al qaeda has significance beyond its numbers, frankly. and so for us, our 24-hour-a-day objective is to seek out those al qaeda cells, and as we seek them out, to target them and eliminate them. and we're doing that 24 hours a day. we do not want al qaeda to feel as though it can put down roots here. that's the key. >> logan: a four-star general like allen is expected to be as much a politician as a warrior, and one of his more sensitive tasks is dealing with the afghan president, whose relationship with the u.s. has soured in recent years. we found the president frustrated with the ongoing bloodshed. >> karzai: a lot of innocent people die every day. the question is, what have we done wrong that they are still able to continue to hurt and damage people?
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that is, for me as the president of afghanistan, the most important question. and that is the question that i've engaged with the united states almost daily. >> logan: and are you satisfied with the answers you get from them? >> karzai: never. no, never. that's been one of our difficulties. >> logan: not satisfied, karzai told us, with the answers he's getting from general allen. >> karzai: i have letters from general allen who says that the security in afghanistan is... is a lot better and the people are waiting for improved governance. >> logan: do you agree with him? >> karzai: i... no, i don't agree with that. >> logan: you tell him that? >> karzai: yes. >> logan: what does he say? >> karzai: the security has improved, but not... not completely. >> logan: he doesn't agree with that. he says that's wrong. and he's told you he's not satisfied with the answers he's getting from you. what do you say to that? >> allen: well, i think we have a difference of opinion on that. the security situation isn't perfect around the country.
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i mean, there are lots of areas that remain... "insecure" probably is the word. but an awful lot of the population of this country is living in an area where there is vastly improved security from where it was just a few years ago. >> logan: they did agree on a few things. right now, there's no peace process at all with the taliban, and pakistan is the problem. enemy fighters from the afghan battlefield have enjoyed freedom and sanctuary on pakistani soil since the beginning of the war. ultimately, it's not going to matter what you do if you do not address the critical element of the safe havens that the enemy has inside pakistan, across the border, in many ways, out of your reach. >> allen: well, we're doing a great deal right now. the relationship that we have between i.s.a.f. forces and the pakistani military has improved dramatically. >> logan: but it doesn't stop pakistanis helping our enemies kill u.s. soldiers. >> allen: well, that's not going
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to stop immediately. we've got to work at that. it's not a solution that can be had, ultimately, by a military solution. these are policy issues, these are government-to-government issues. i'm not going to be able to wage war in pakistan. but this is hard, there's a very complex relationship with pakistan. and we'll work very hard and very closely with the pakistani military to achieve common objectives. but to some extent, the pakistani military has been successful in cooperating with us, in the last several months, with regard to complimentary operations on both sides of the border. but much more needs to be done. >> logan: your deadliest enemies on the afghan battlefield have complete freedom of movement inside pakistan with the blessing of the pakistanis, and every commander that's sat in your shoes has had to try and build a relationship and go through the same motions time and time again. and the effect on the battlefield remains exactly the same: american soldiers continue to die because of the support
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pakistan gives to america's enemies. >> allen: you've just stated the truth. >> logan: that's got to make you mad. >> allen: yes, it does. yes, it does. and within the... the context of my authorities, we're going to do everything we can to hunt down and kill every one of those haqqani operatives that we can inside this country, and those other elements that come out of those safe havens that ultimately threaten my troops, threaten the afghan troops and the afghan society, the afghan civilians, and ultimately the afghan government. >> logan: president karzai blames the u.s. for not confronting pakistan years ago. why has the u.s. failed to address the issue with pakistan, do you think? >> karzai: perhaps politics. >> logan: what has been the cost of that? >> karzai: heavy for us. disastrous for us. >> logan: would afghanistan look completely different today if the issue of sanctuary and safe haven in pakistan had been dealt with years ago? >> karzai: absolutely. completely different-- much more peaceful, much more progressed, much more stable, and a society that would have been thriving on its own.
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>> logan: does that make you angry? >> karzai: absolutely, very much. and we have shown it. >> logan: was there much yelling and screaming behind closed doors? >> karzai: plenty of that. >> logan: listening to you, i get the feeling that there's a lot of anger towards the united states. there's been bad blood. what went wrong? why do you feel this way? >> karzai: i don't feel angry. i'm... afghanistan feels let down. >> logan: president karzai has repeatedly expressed his gratitude for the sacrifices the u.s. has made in his country, but in recent years, he's been outspoken and critical of his american partners. when americans hear you criticize the u.s., they think of all the taxpayer money that they have sent to afghanistan and... and the american lives that have been lost here, and some question what kind of partner you have been. >> karzai: so, our criticism is not directed at the american people.
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our criticism is directed at policies and behavior of those who are representing the united states' people, and is in a manner of asking for change and improvement. >> logan: general allen knows that america's combat mission in afghanistan is drawing to a close. he told us he expects they'll be fighting to the last day of this military campaign, which began with 9/11 and will end, the white house says, 27 months from now. how do you feel about having a political timetable for your military campaign? >> allen: well, it focuses us pretty good, yeah. i walk home at night after a day here and with 27 months on the clock. i ask myself every night whether i've done enough, and some nights, i turn around and go back. >> logan: i get the feeling, sitting here talking to you, listening to you, that this is not just a job; it's not about
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the next promotion. you're carrying this campaign in your heart. >> allen: yeah. >> logan: this matters. >> allen: yes, i am. i... i came here believing this would be the last job i'd ever have. i don't care about anything beyond this. this is what's important to me. i almost can't remember ever having been anywhere else. this is completely consuming for me. and i am dedicated 24 hours a day to these magnificent troops, to the afghans, to this cause, and ultimately to the successful completion. this is very personal to me, and i take it very personally. >> go to to hear lara logan discuss what it's like to be face to face with the enemy. [ ja ne't ] i test-drove the camry se sport limited edition. [ man ] and what did you think? i loved it. why? 'cause it's a toyota, of course! i want a car that's gonna last me for a little while. ♪ i like the bells and whistles. that's my favorite part about the car. i like the navigation. i like the entune.
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>> stahl: it's rare enough when someone gets to the very top of his profession; it's almost unheard of when someone gets there in three different professions, but that's what arnold schwarzenegger did. he was number one in bodybuilding, number one in hollywood, and then governor of the biggest state. and now, he's at the center of a king-sized scandal, having fathered a child with the family housekeeper, which he kept secret from his wife, maria shriver, and everyone else. tonight, he speaks about it for the first time in connection with his new autobiography, "total recall," which, published by the cbs company simon and schuster, comes out tomorrow. he confesses his infidelity that cost him his marriage in the chapter he calls "the secret." what does maria think about you writing a memoir and bringing this up? >> arnold schwarzenegger: i think that maria is, you know,
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wishing me well with everything that i do. >> stahl: has she read it? >> schwarzenegger: no. at this point, she hasn't read anything. >> stahl: but she knows you're discussing... >> schwarzenegger: she knows that it's about my whole life, and that i would not write a book and kind of leave out that part and make people feel like, "well, wait a minute, are we just getting a book about his success stories and not talk about his failures?" and that's not the book i wanted to write. i wanted to write a book about me. here's my life. >> stahl: so what's his life been like since the scandal? well, he's not hiding. he's out there on the red carpet, promoting one of the five movies he's signed up to make. >> schwarzenegger: i'm back. ( applause ) >> stahl: he's trying to go back in time, to the days when he was hollywood's biggest action hero, though in some of his new movies, his 65th birthday is taken into account.
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>> how are you, sheriff? >> schwarzenegger: old. >> stahl: at his peak, he was making $30 million a movie. isn't that why you've gone back to the movies? >> schwarzenegger: no. >> stahl: to make money? >> schwarzenegger: no. i don't need money. i have enough money. >> stahl: well, you... didn't you lose a lot of money when you became governor? >> schwarzenegger: even with my divorce and with everything, i don't need money. i have plenty of money, unlike other hollywood celebrities or athletes that have not invested well. when you read my book, you will see what a fanatic i am about the... to turn one dollar into two. >> stahl: one thing arnold schwarzenegger isn't is self- effacing. everything has to be the biggest-- his money, his muscles, his movies, and his machines. this is not your new car. >> schwarzenegger: yeah, this is my new car. ( laughs ) >> stahl: no. it's called a unimog by mercedes. you going to take me for a ride? life with arnold can be fun. but as we now know, with the scandal, it's been a double life. you know, i've spent time with
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you, and you are so much fun and you have enormous charm. and i have to keep reminding myself about this chapter of your life. i do, i have to keep saying, "wow, he did something that speaks to character." do you have to remind yourself, or is it always there? >> schwarzenegger: it's always there. >> stahl: till now, as he describes in "total recall," arnold schwarzenegger's has been the ultimate immigrant success story. his life began in austria, which he visits a couple of times a year. he was born in the small farming village of thal, in a house that is now the arnold schwarzenegger museum, typically over-the-top, with a giant replica of arnold in his favorite pose. >> schwarzenegger: this was always the pose that closed the deal. >> stahl: there's exhibitionism in you.
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>> schwarzenegger: you know, so you show off what you have at any given time. so that's what i had then and that's what i showed off, and i tell you, i showed off plenty of it. >> stahl: he was born in 1947, two years after the end of world war ii. his house had no electricity, no plumbing, no running water. this is what, the kitchen? >> schwarzenegger: this is actually the room where everything took place, literally everything. >> stahl: including sponge baths. >> schwarzenegger: we just pulled this out, and here, this would be filled up with water. >> stahl: water from a well a quarter-mile away. everyone took turns, using the same basin of water. arnold, the youngest, always went last. same water? >> schwarzenegger: same water. by the time i got to wash myself, the water was black. >> stahl: his mother was a traditional hausfrau. his father, gustav, who became
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the local police chief, had joined the nazi storm troopers during the war, something arnold says he didn't learn till much later in life. >> schwarzenegger: there was never one single sentence said in the house about the war, period. so the promise of hitler, that hitler gave them that we're going to create the third reich, and we're going to build this fantastic place for you and we will, you know, basically rule the world. all of that was gone and what was left was losers. >> stahl: he says his father was bitter and he always had a troubled relationship with him. he was pretty tough on you. >> schwarzenegger: well, he was very tough. i mean, he... >> stahl: i mean, hit you. >> schwarzenegger: my father, you know, ran after me with a belt. and beat me with a belt. everything, everything you can think of. they got very creative. >> stahl: he says his father's harshness drove him and motivated him to find something he could be good at. he began spending five hours a day lifting weights, and he converted his bedroom into a shrine to men with freakishly
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large muscles. >> schwarzenegger: my mother looked at that and she was just so depressed. >> stahl: so she called in the family doctor. >> schwarzenegger: "i don't know if there's something wrong with my son, because, you know, look at this." >> stahl: because he likes naked men? >> schwarzenegger: "whole wall is full of naked men. doctor, can you help me? because all of arnold's friends, they have pictures of girls above their bed. and arnold has no girls, as you can see. no girls. and look at this picture over there with the naked... with his thing sticking out." and then, the doctor... >> stahl: she thought you were gay. >> schwarzenegger: i don't know if she thought that i was gay, or if she just thought i was... there was something off and let's catch it early. >> stahl: by the age of 15, he had mapped out a master plan-- go to america and become a big movie star and a rich businessman. he'd get there by winning one body-building contest after the next. >> europe's mr. muscles of 1966. >> stahl: that got him to los angeles in 1968, where he
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continued to work harder than anyone else. he was like a man possessed, doing whatever it took to win, including taking steroids. >> schwarzenegger: we tried it out, we experimented with it. >> stahl: shots? >> schwarzenegger: tablets, shots, whatever was available then. this was in the era before the growth hormones and all this other stuff came in. >> stahl: he also worked on the rest of his master plan-- going to school at night, and investing what little savings he had in buying rundown properties in santa monica. >> schwarzenegger: and so i started investing in buildings up and down main street, including this building. so, very quickly, i became a millionaire in my 20s already. >> stahl: being a millionaire didn't dampen his ambition, nor did his star turn in the documentary "pumping iron," which he thought would propel him to the next stage of his master plan, hollywood. but talent agents told him
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hercules couldn't be a leading man. >> schwarzenegger: they said, "arnold, trust me. today, it's dustin hoffman; he's a little guy. al pacino; he's a little guy. woody allen. those are the sex symbols. don't you understand it? don't you get it?" >> stahl: they thought, "this guy who can't speak english or had such a think accent." >> schwarzenegger: that's right, and "with a name like 'schwarzen-schnitzel,' what are you going to do with that name up there on the billboard?" i heard all that, but i heard of course... yes. >> stahl: in your own little head? >> schwarzenegger: when they said "no," i heard "yes, you can do it, arnold. you can do it." >> stahl: he likes defying the odds, which he does with steely discipline and drive. he worked hard to become an actor, finding out in his acting lessons that the self-control he'd mastered as a bodybuilder was getting in his way. >> schwarzenegger: the thing that can really make you lose is if you get emotionally unbalanced, and if i put everything that's happening emotionally on deep freeze. so i became an expert in living in denial.
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>> stahl: someone said about you that one key to your success was your resolute non-introspection. and you also say in the book, i think, that if you have had a failure in life, you just erase it. you don't think about it and just keep going. >> schwarzenegger: i don't dwell on it. dwelling on it, like some people do, you know, years later, say, "oh, yeah, i lost this, and i will never forget that. i'm still suffering." no, that's not me. i don't suffer of anything that i've lost. >> stahl: you're able to just keep going... >> schwarzenegger: oh, yeah. >> stahl: his first leading role was in "conan the barbarian," for which he was paid $250,000. he set out to double his pay with each new movie. two years later, with "the terminator," he tripled it, getting $750,000. arnold's character uttered just 74 words, though three of them are among the most memorable in all of hollywood history. >> schwarzenegger: i'll be back.
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>> stahl: with that, arnold schwarzenegger, funny name and all, became a big movie star. his master plan always included a family. a year after "terminator," he proposed to maria shriver. they'd been dating and living together for eight years. that same year, 1985, he co- starred in a movie called "red sonja." when maria read the script, arnold says she told him "don't do it. it's trash." you write in the book that you had an affair with the actress in that movie. you cheated on maria. and you were in your relationship. and you don't even write that you felt bad about it. you just write it. >> schwarzenegger: actually, you know, i did feel bad about it. but, i mean, all of my various different things, they were mistakes, and this is, you know, my failure, my screw-ups. >> stahl: was that the only affair? >> schwarzenegger: no, i had others. but, i mean... but, you know,
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it's something that's obviously between maria and me. >> stahl: she knew? >> schwarzenegger: yeah. >> stahl: so it's a recurring issue with you. >> schwarzenegger: i'm not perfect. >> stahl: how arnold told his wife about his biggest mistake of all, when we come back. >> cbs money watch update sponsored by: >> glor: good evening. tomorrow medicare starts fining hospitals having too many patients readmitted within 30 days, an effort to improve performance under the affordable care act. wall street watches as fed chairman ben bernanke speaks tomorrow. and gas prices are down 3 cents in the last week to $3.78. i'm jeff glor. cbs news. ,,,,,,,,
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>> stahl: maria shriver and arnold schwarzenegger had a big wedding in hyannisport in 1986.
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the birth of their first of four children came just as arnold's movie career hit the stratosphere. christmas 1990, "time" magazine put him on the cover as hollywood's top star. despite arnold's double life, he says that, from the beginning of their relationship, maria was always his partner, advising him on everything from body-building poses to movie scripts to strategies for his political campaigns. ( cheers and applause ) arnold's third act, politics, began in 2003, when he says he was getting bored making action movies. once again, he had to beat the odds to become the republican governor in the blue state of california. >> congratulations, governor schwarzenegger. >> stahl: married to a kennedy democrat, his commitment to republican ideology has often been questioned.
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as governor, he championed legislation to combat global warming, he promoted stem cell research, he performed gay marriages, and... you had a health care initiative. and here's what you write in your book: "my plan improved on mitt romney's massachusetts plan by strengthening the individual mandate." >> schwarzenegger: that's right. >> stahl: this was "obamacare" before "obamacare." >> schwarzenegger: forget "obamacare." this is a principle that goes back hundreds of years. people need to be insured so, when you have an accident out there or when some... something catastrophic happens to you, that you're covered and there's not someone else has to pay for you. that is as simple as that. >> stahl: he and maria made their bipartisan marriage work for 25 years, despite arnold's politics and his penchant for keeping secrets, as when he had to have open-heart surgery in 1997. when you told your doctor you weren't going to tell your wife, he... i mean, he couldn't believe it. >> schwarzenegger: and he says, "your wife is pregnant. what are you talking about you're not going to tell her." i said, "now, here's the plan." i said, "i'm going to have the heart surgery. you do it quietly.
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no one knows about it. we'll do it at 6:00 in the morning. and then four days later, i'm out of here and i go down to mexico. and i'll tell maria, i'll tell maria, i'll say, 'look, i'm down here. little busy. and i'm on vacation.' and when i come back, i will be tanned. no one will know. he said, "arnold, are you out of your mind?" he said, "you're going to have a big scar here on the chest. what do you mean your wife is not going to see the scar?" >> stahl: but people are listening to you tell this story, and it's bizarre. >> schwarzenegger: very. >> stahl: what is it with you? i'm... i'm serious. >> schwarzenegger: i don't know. that's the way i handle things. and it always has worked. but, i mean, it does not... it's not the best thing for people around me because i sometimes... some information, i just keep to myself. >> stahl: what's astonishing is the enormity of what he kept to himself or tried to-- beyond open-heart surgery? well, what about running for governor? once again, you don't tell your
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wife. >> schwarzenegger: that's right. >> stahl: he says he waited to tell maria till only a few days before his scheduled announcement. and when he did... >> schwarzenegger: she started shaking. and she had tears in her eyes. i realized that i was stepping into something that was much deeper than just me running and her being a supportive wife. >> stahl: he says politics had brought maria-- a shriver and a kennedy-- too many disappointments and tragedies. you had no idea that this was something she would not want to get back into? >> schwarzenegger: no. as a matter of fact, i was thinking that she would say, "wow, that is amazing. welcome to the club. we finally convinced you to be a public servant, just like my entire family." none of that. so, all of a sudden, it came to a grinding halt and i had to now deal with the drama. >> stahl: he says the race was off until his mother-in-law, eunice shriver, stepped in and told maria, "if you stop him, he'll be angry for the rest of
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his life." and so, maria gave up her career as a tv news journalist and jumped in with both feet. >> maria shriver: as a democrat, i'm totally comfortable supporting him. >> stahl: she went out on the campaign trail, and even defended him when he was accused of groping more than a dozen women from earlier in his career. >> shriver: you can listen to all the negativity and you can listen to people who have never met arnold, or who met him for five seconds 30 years ago, or you can listen to me. >> stahl: but, by this time, arnold had already had the affair with the family housekeeper, mildred baena. and would later learn there was a son, joseph. he says there were strains in his marriage while he was governor. the day after he left office in 2011, maria wanted to talk. maria wants to have a meeting with your marriage counselor. tell us about that meeting.
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>> schwarzenegger: that particular visit that you're talking about was the visit where she then said, "hey, i think that joseph is your kid. and am i off here on this or... or not?" and i said, "you're absolutely correct." and i had to face up to that, which i have been kind of hiding but no one knew about. and that i knew about at that point maybe for five, six years or so. >> stahl: you just said, "you're absolutely right?" >> schwarzenegger: i said, "you're absolutely right, and i am sorry." it was very painful for her. she was very disappointed. >> stahl: maria asked you, "why didn't you tell me?" and what did you say? >> schwarzenegger: that i did not know how to. >> stahl: you didn't know how to tell her? >> schwarzenegger: how to tell her without worrying about, you know, that it would get out or whatever. >> stahl: and that she'd leave you while you were still governor. >> schwarzenegger: i don't think
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that was as much of an issue as just how do i keep this under wraps. >> stahl: well, tell us how it happened. this is a woman who worked in your house. >> schwarzenegger: exactly. and... and i found out about it kind of... seven years in or eight years in... >> stahl: well, wait, wait, wait. you... wait, you... you have this relationship. nine months later, she's... has a baby. didn't... didn't you say, "oh, my god, it's my baby"? >> schwarzenegger: no. >> stahl: you... it never crossed your mind? >> schwarzenegger: no, because she was with a man and she... so, no. >> stahl: so you have this relationship. and she keeps working in the house? >> schwarzenegger: uh-huh. >> stahl: do you keep having the relationship? >> schwarzenegger: no. but look, i have caused enough pain to everyone as it is, if it is my wife or my kids. so i don't want to reawaken and kind of talk about it, because it's not going to help them.
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and i just want to protect them as much as i can. >> stahl: well, i understand that. but you wrote it. >> schwarzenegger: no, no, the things that i wrote about i don't mind telling you. >> stahl: joseph was born almost the same time as maria and arnold's fourth child. a smiling maria celebrated joseph's christening, clearly unaware. was he around the house? >> schwarzenegger: i've seen him many times, yes. >> stahl: you said he played with your kids when he was little. >> schwarzenegger: that's right, yeah. >> stahl: so now, he's seven or eight, and you take a look? well, tell us... >> schwarzenegger: no, no. i was... it just appeared to me there was something off, that he started looking like me. so that's when i kind of got it, that... it was never discussed. but, i mean, i put the things together here. >> stahl: did you ask her? ask... her name is mildred. did you ask mildred? >> schwarzenegger: no, i didn't. but i felt like that i should take on the responsibility of taking care of... of him and her. and so i started taking care of
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joseph financially and... and... >> stahl: well, all of a sudden, she starts getting money? no, you must have said, "i know, i want to take care of him." you never... >> schwarzenegger: no. >> stahl: well, how does money start showing up? >> schwarzenegger: i gave it to her and she knew what it was about. >> stahl: did you think that, if you gave her money, that she wouldn't talk, like hush money? >> schwarzenegger: i don't think that mildred was at all into talking. mildred is a good person. she was not out to get me or to... to take advantage. >> stahl: you write, "i wanted mildred to continue working in our home because i thought i could control the situation better that way." and i read that to mean that, if she was in the house, you could make sure she wouldn't tell anybody. >> schwarzenegger: no. it was more that it will be the wrong thing to do to let them go and not make her feel like she's being punished when i find out that this is my child. >> stahl: but she remained your housekeeper? >> schwarzenegger: that's right. >> stahl: even after you realized it? >> schwarzenegger: uh-huh. >> stahl: was that... was that
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strange? >> schwarzenegger: very difficult, strange, i mean, bizarre, i mean, everything else. whatever you want to call it. but it's the best way i could handle it. and it was one of those things we talked about, you know, denial. i kind of put it away and just said to myself, "okay, i'm going to put this away." i'm going to fulfill my responsibilities... >> stahl: how can you put it away? you have a child. >> schwarzenegger: i know, but that's just the way i operate. >> stahl: when you ran for governor, there were charges... all kinds of charges of groping and grabbing women. and maria went up and down the state and vouched for you. do you think back on that time and say, "wow..." >> schwarzenegger: well, i think that... >> stahl: "...i got her to do that for me and then i did this to her?" >> schwarzenegger: no, i... i... well, two different things. the charges of the groping and, you know, that whole vicious attack had nothing to do with
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mildred and had nothing to do with anything else. >> stahl: but she kept saying you were a good man. she vouched for your character. >> schwarzenegger: no, she vouched... she says, "look, i know arnold. he doesn't do those things that... that you have read. and i am his wife, i know him better than that." you know, end of story. >> stahl: you write that maria did ask you before the confrontation with the marriage counselor, "is... is that your child?" before then. so you lied to her. >> schwarzenegger: you can say that. >> stahl: she gave up her television career for you. i mean, wow. was this just the most unbelievable act of betrayal to maria? >> schwarzenegger: i think it was the stupidest thing i've done in the whole relationship. it was terrible. i inflicted tremendous pain on maria and unbelievable pain on the kids. >> stahl: your children. >> schwarzenegger: and... yeah, exactly. because i had to tell them each
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about the... what has happened and how... how i have screwed up and... >> stahl: how did that go? >> schwarzenegger: ...asked them for forgiveness. well, it... they cried. i mean, it's like... it takes... you know, it tears your heart out, i mean, when you just, you know, have to tell them that. >> stahl: are you now joseph's father? in other words, do you see him? do you do father things with him? >> schwarzenegger: i don't want to go and get into that. but the important thing you should know is-- that everyone should know is-- that i take care of him and i take care of her. and i fulfill my responsibility and i'm glad to do that. >> stahl: maria moved out of the house three months after that counseling session and has filed for divorce. we've talked a lot about how you put your failures behind you by not looking back too much, by not being that introspective. are you just moving forward again now? just plow ahead?
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>> schwarzenegger: if you would have asked me ten years ago, five years ago, two years ago, what is the most important thing in my life, i would tell you over and over, it's my marriage, it's my family. so the thing that really meant the most to me kind of fell apart because of my doing. that is something that i will always look back and say, "how could you have done that?" [ female announcer ] want to spend less and retire with more?
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News/Business. Steve Kroft, Lesley Stahl, Scott Pelley. (2012) Afghan President Hamid Karzai and U.S. Marine Gen. John Allen discuss the war. New. Season Premiere. (CC) (Stereo)

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